vWorker Arbitrations: Action taken against Jeremy Collins of Pennsylvania (due to duplicate account link to Brett Rutecky of Pennsylvania)

Note: this is not about arbitration fraud but about general fraud instead. This post has been updated to include the most up-to-date information.

The user Jeremy Collins of Pennsylvania was detected by the new security system as being another user who was ejected from the site (Brett Rutecky of Pennsylvania). Brett had been ejected from the site previously for multiple fraud accounts (seven): which he created to hide his numerous lost arbitrations from new employers. Each time he would also lose more arbitrations, pick unnecessary fights with employers, and the process would continue. Brett then started using family and friends names to setup accounts and cash checks, to try to avoid detection.

Numerous things were matched by the system between Jeremy Collins and Brett Rutecky. (The system uses extremely sophisticated behavioral analysis of site data, far beyond simple matching on emails and ip addresses). As one example, Jeremy Collins created this job for his worker to fix his website: http://facepro.us. However, the WHOIS for facepro.us revealed the site does not belong to a Jeremey Colllins, but actually belongs to Brett Rutecky. There were many other matches like this.

Despite the obvious links, we still wanted to be give Jeremey a chance to explain himself (since a duplicate account results in a closed account). So Jeremy was given the opportunity to provide identification, so he could be paid the funds in his account ($347.00). However, he refused to do this.

As an alternative option, Jeremy was given the option to sign a contract saying he would not return to the site under a duplicate account. A contract was created by vWorker, which included a clause that Jeremy would be excused from the disintermediation (opt-out) clause in his Worker Agreement if he notified his employers of the true reason he was being removed from the vWorker site. Jeremy agreed to the clause and stated that he would notify his employers after he received payment of the $347.00 in his account. Both vWorker and Jeremy signed the contract and the funds in Jeremy’s account were paid out. However, once Jeremy received his payment, he refused to notify his employers. Therefore, the disintermediation (opt-out) clause is still being enforced at this time.

If you are a previous employer of Jeremey and wish to switch to another worker, we will be happy to assist you. If you wish to work with him offsite, please remember that you cannot do so unless you pay the fee specified in the disintermediation opt-out clause of their Employer Agreement. Any employer who works offsite with Jeremy without following the opt-out procedure, will be breaking their contract with vWorker and subject to the disintermediation penalty (see below) as well as forfeiting their account. If you have any questions about this, please let us know.

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Disintermediation (and opt-out).
Employer agrees to pay Worker exclusively through the payment channels made available on the site and will not bypass it by paying through other channels (i.e. "disintermediation"). Worker also agrees not to participate in disintermediation as well. If disintermediation occurs, both Employer and Worker agree to each pay a penalty fee to Exhedra that is the greater of:

All Exhedra fees that would have been charged for all payments, plus a penalty of 20%.
$2,750

Additionally, Exhedra may (at its discretion) also close both accounts, and if so, all parties will additionally forfeit all unspent funds in those accounts. Employer and worker authorize that the penalty fee can be assessed from either of them or a combination. They also authorize it can be obtained in any way necessary by Exhedra, including charging of any credit cards on file.

Both employer and worker also agree that if they request or encourage disintermediation, then they will be subject to the same penalties as the act of disintermediation itself. Both employer and worker agree to alert Exhedra if another party requests, solicits or participates in intermediation.

Opt-out options.

A specific employer can pay a specific worker directly and bypass the site (disintermediation), without penalty, under the following two opt-out situations:

a) Paid opt-out: Employer or worker pays Exhedra an opt-out fee that is the greater of:
1. The total Exhedra fees charged from transactions between the two parties during the previous 365 days.
2. $450
b) Free opt-out: 3 years after the employer and worker were first brought together on the Exhedra site, the two may participate in disintermediation without charge.

To perform a paid opt-out, parties also agree to notify Exhedra with the following information:
1. User id and email addresses of both employer and worker.
2. Whether this is a paid opt-out or a free opt-out.
3. Who will pay the opt-out fee (if it applies)?
Once the opt-out fee is charged by Exhedra (or the free opt-out has occurred), then both parties may freely participate in disintermediation with the other party.

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Complete log of what happened:

1/5/2012 5:17:16 PM: from vWorker
Dear Jeremy Collins,

I read the comments you’ve posted and I’m sorry to read that you are not happy with the service we have provided you. However, the bigger problem is that you misunderstand and disagree with many fundamental site policies and procedures. These policies are there to make the marketplace safe and protect all users, so they are important. You’ve also demonstrated a willingness to break site these procedures which causes problems for other site users. For example, the employer in your arbitration had to deal with significant amounts of verbal abuse that no person should have had to deal with in a professional environment.

What you are expecting from an online marketplace is very different than what we can actually provide you. Unfortunately, this means we cannot continue doing business with you. Normally in this situation we would allow you to finish up your current projects, pay you, close your account and wish you the better luck with one of our many competitors.

However, something else occurred yesterday which changes the normal course of action. Threat Metrics (a 3rd party security company that we use) has upgraded their anti-fraud software. They can now identify duplicate accounts in a much more sophisticated way than they could before. They can now actually analyze user behavior and other things that a person cannot change. So even if a person changes superficial things like their password, email address, IP address and such, they cannot fool it and will be caught. Threat Metrics has identified you as being the same person as another site user. This particular user was ejected from the site after creating seven fake, duplicate accounts. They were also warned that if they came back to the site, their funds would be confiscated.

If you allege you are not the other user, then you need to provide the following identification:

1) Front and back scanned copies of your Pennsylvania state driver’s license.
2) Photo of you holding the license so your face and your face on the license are clearly visible.
3) Social security card.

If you send this information and it verifies you are who you claim to be, then we will pay you your current funds before closing your account.

However, if you choose not to send this information, then your current account will be closed as a duplicate account. Your contract states that we can confiscate all funds in a duplicate account and return them back to the employers for fraud. However if this is the case, we will give you an exception and instead place a hold on the funds. Then, if you do not come back to the site in a year, we will pay them out to you. But if you create another duplicate account then we will exercise the funds forfeiture (per your contract) and you will not receive them at all. Remember that we have the new Threat Metrics system in place and we will be watching very closely for future duplicate accounts.

Please let me know if you will be sending the identification information or not and I’ll then proceed accordingly.

Ashley O'Dell (vWorker)
Exhedra Solutions, Inc.
vWorker.com Content Manager
AshleyODell@Exhedra.com
http://www.vWorker.com

1/5/2012 7:41pm: From Jeremy Collins

lol

What a pathetic joke you are.

I catch you people acting like fools and your response is to kick me off your site, then you invent a reason to steal from me. You offer 0 evidence to support your claim that Im someone else. Why because you have none. Why, because Im not someone else. I guess it was someone else who cashed the thousands of dollars worth of checks you sent me.

If my actions in that arbitration were so bad then why wasn't my account closed at the time? Instead you wait until I have some money for you to steal.

I have broken no rule on your site, and have only ever pointed out how unprofessional, low tech, and inconstant you people are. Is your response to correct your short comings, no your response is to try to steal from me.

I will be contacting all my current and past employers and letting them know that you are trying to steal from me, that you kicked me from your s ite because I reported to many bugs in your site and pointed out inconstant statements in your rules. I will further be filing a complaint with the better business bureau regarding your theft and will be devoting 2 hours of my online work time per day towards making sure every website, blog, fan page, ect. knows that you people steal from people.

As you have no legal reason to keep my money this becomes a debt unpaid. Pa and Florida collection law allows me to call you as needed monday - friday between the hours of 8am and 8pm. Expect a call from me every hour that this debt is unpaid.

Jeremy

PS) Ill give you a copy of my ID and SS card when you give me evidence that I am someone else. Really you should have thought of something better than that. You people are really a bunch of idiots aren't you.

Name:JeremyCollins (Jeremy Collins)

1/6/2012 12:03am from vWorker

Jeremy,

The system found numerous definitive matches that you are the same person. If I gave you the entire list, a smart person like you would know how to circumnavigate many parts of the system and repeat the fraud. But to give you just one tiny thing: you need to be more careful when you post projects to have someone work on “your” site. Especially so when the site is not owned by Jeremy Collins but by the person who was kicked off. This is just one of the many, many things the system found and gives you an idea of how sophisticated the technology is.

I have no doubt that you are indeed that other user. However, at the same time I can also believe that you might actually have so much free time on your hands that you would actually call us constantly and prevent us from getting work done.

My problem is that I can’t have you come back in a month and create yet another fake account.

So I’ll give you a 3^rd alternative. We will pay you the funds (instead of returning them to your employers) *if*you sign a contract stating that you agree you will never come back on the site. One of the clauses will be a penalty clause that says that if you break the contract and do come back, you will not only forfeit the funds in your new duplicate account, but you will also forfeit the funds being given to you now + a 25% penalty on both.

Ian Ippolito
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14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
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Ian,

I can not speak intelligently about your fraud system. What I can do is provide proof that I am a freelance worker, that I manage several sites, as a freelance worker for other people, that I have provided you with my name , address, and social security number, as required and that you have confirmed acceptance of this information not only by sending me checks but by also (which you are about to do) sending me tax statements.

You are in no position to dictate terms. So I will tell you what is going to happen. vWorker is a private company, and if you decide not to do business with me then that is of course your option. However you will NOT steal from me.,

You will either pay me what is justly due, and I will move on to your competitors 100% or you will prepare for civil action as well as collection proceedings. Ill be honest I dont care about the money. I make $340 almost daily (vWorker is only about 1/4 of my income), its just the point, you will not take what is rightfully due to me. If you know anything about me from our brief conversation you know that I am just as stuborn as you are.

Your choices are simple, either you pay me what is mine, and we part ways amicably or you accept the consequences of your attempted theft.

I will make no concession other than my word and that should be enough. Of the two of us, I have been the only one to be strict by the rules.

Jeremy

Sent 1/6/2012 11:11am by vworker

Jeremy,

As a smart person, you know that anyone can fake a name, address and supposed social security number. The other user (and many other past fraudsters on the site) recruit family and friends to cash checks in their names (rather their own), to try to avoid detection. So this doesn’t prove identity either.

We are fully within our legal rights to freeze funds from a duplicate account. If it’s not a duplicate account, then you can get the funds very simply. Either:

1) Provide the proper identification that you are who you say you are

2) Sign the contract agreeing you will not come back on the site with a
duplicate account

If you do either of these, the funds will be paid to you.

If you do not, then the funds will be returned to your employers.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:14 PM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

You may send me your agreement and I will review it. I shouldn't refuse to sight it until I see it I guess.

From: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
To: Jeremy Collins <jercol123@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Jeremy

It’s simply this:

“I, Jeremy Collins of

178 Scott Street
Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania 18702
United States

agree to not create another account and use it on the vWorker site (or any site owned by Exhedra Solutions). In exchange Exhedra will waive the requirement for me to prove that I am not a duplicate account. Exhedra will also pay me the $347.37 that is currently frozen in my account for being a duplicate account. If I break this contract and create another account(s), I agree I will immediately forfeit the $347.37 being paid to me now + a 25% penalty. As with all duplicate accounts, I will also forfeit all funds in that account as well.”

If that’s fine with you, then fax a signed copy to me (or print it, sign it, scan it and email it back) and we’ll pay you as agreed.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:53 PM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Ok well I can agree to that. If you dont want me on your site that is fine. It is as much your choice who you do business with as it is mine. I work on the other sites as well so its not a big deal.

Ill send it to you Monday.

Jeremy

From: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
To: Jeremy Collins <jercol123@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Okay.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:54 AM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Incidentally,

Both you and Ashley made contradicting statements in your emails to me. It is this type of thing that led to the criticism by me that you so much dislike. You may think I am abusive, however there are about 100 of your customers who would strongly disagree with that statement. I find it had to believe that a person who is 'rude' and 'abusive' would be ranked better than 99.72% of all your workers, and in fact if that is true, then it does not say much for the quality of workers on vWorker (as 99.72% of them are worse then the rude person)

Anyway I am digressing the point of this email is:

Just a confirmation, since I am no longer able to work on your site, as per your request, the disintermediation clause in the worker agreement is no longer valid correct? Ie. there is nothing to prevent me from working with them directly? (if you notice in the past I had kept all additional jobs on site to continue conform to this agreement)

Please confirm that I am no longer bound by this clause.

All the best, and glad we got this sorted out.

Jeremy

From: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
To: Jeremy Collins <jercol123@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Jeremy,

>> Both you and Ashley made contradicting statements in your emails to me. It is this type of thing that led to the criticism by me that you so much dislike. You may think I am abusive, however there are about 100 of your customers who would strongly disagree with that statement. I find it had to believe that a person who is 'rude' and 'abusive' would be ranked better than 99.72% of all your workers, and in fact if that is true, then it does not say much for the quality of workers on vWorker (as 99.72% of them are worse then the rude person)

Again I find it really hard to believe a person as smart as yourself could actually believe the logic behind that.

>> Just a confirmation, since I am no longer able to work on your site, as per your request, the disintermediation clause in the worker agreement is no longer valid correct? Ie. there is nothing to prevent me from working with them directly? (if you notice in the past I had kept all additional jobs on site to continue conform to this agreement)

Being removed from the site, does not terminate the contract, and you would still be bound to that clause. Your employers (or you) can buy you out of that clause for amount indicated in the contract.

As a third option, I would be willing to release you from it without a buy-out (i.e. for free). However, we received an email from one employer who received a doctored version of the events of this incident from you. For me to release you from the buy-out, you’d need to tell your employers the real reason we are parting ways. Since you’d have to contact them to let them know they can hire you directly anyway, all it would take is an extra link to the blog (which shows the entire conversation between you and vWorker). You would not have to say anything else about it. It would be something like this:

“vWorker and I are parting ways. You can read the details at: http://arbitration.vworker.com/2012/01/action-taken-against-jeremey-collins-of.html. vWorker has agreed to release me from my disintermediation clause, so we can work directly in the future. If you wish to contact me, you can at this email address. And if you wish to confirm the vWorker release, you can contact them at 813-908-9029 or facilitator@vworker.com.”

If you wanted, we could even send it out as a joint email to prove vWorker is partially behind it. Then I’d also add this clause to the contract:

“I, Jeremy Collins of

178 Scott Street
Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania 18702
United States

agree to not create another account and use it on the vWorker site (or any site owned by Exhedra Solutions). In exchange Exhedra will waive the requirement for me to prove that I am not a duplicate account. Exhedra will also waive the disintermediation clause in my contract and pay me the $347.37 that is currently frozen in my account for being a duplicate account. If I break this contract and create another account(s), I agree I will immediately forfeit the $347.37 being paid to me now + a 25% penalty. As with all duplicate accounts, I will also forfeit all funds in that account as well.”

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 11:39 AM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

We can send these emails out once you fulfill your obligation and pay me. Until then we can consider this clause in effect.

Jeremy

From: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
To: Jeremy Collins <jercol123@yahoo.com>
Cc: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Jeremy,

Okay, I am fine with you sending the email out after you are paid.

However releasing you from disintermediation is a contract amendment. It does not go into effect until you sign the new contract and I countersign it.

I added a final paragraph so that you don’t have to send out the email until you are paid. To allow that to happen, I gave us a way to verify you sent it (by having you cc us on the emails).

“I, Jeremy Collins of

178 Scott Street
Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania 18702
United States

agree to not create another account and use it on the vWorker site (or any site owned by Exhedra Solutions). In exchange Exhedra will waive the requirement for me to prove that I am not a duplicate account. Exhedra will pay me the $347.37 that is currently frozen in my account for being a duplicate account. If I break this contract and create another account(s), I agree I will immediately forfeit the $347.37 being paid to me now + a 25% penalty. As with all duplicate accounts, I will also forfeit all funds in that account as well.

After I receive the above funds, then Exhedra additionally agrees to waive the disintermediation clause in my contract, as long as I inform all employers whom I wish to work directly with, of the real reason I have been removed from the site (as follows). I will send all such employers, the following email, and will carbon copy facilitator@vworker.com on it:

“vWorker and I are parting ways. You can read the details at: http://arbitration.vworker.com/2012/01/action-taken-against-jeremey-collins-of.html. vWorker has agreed to release me from my disintermediation clause, so we can work directly in the future. If you wish to contact me, you can at this email address. And if you wish to confirm that vWorker authorizes working with me directly, you can contact them at 813-908-9029 or facilitator@vworker.com.”

Doing this will waive the disintermediation clause in my contract for that employer. Any employer I do not do this with, will have the disintermediation clause remain unchanged and in effect.”

When you fax or send that to us on Monday, I’ll counter sign it, and finance will release your funds.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 12:05 PM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Ian,

It seems that the complexity's of my printers built in fax machine are to much for me, so I have scanned our agreement and have enclosed it as a PDF. I trust this is acceptable.

Once we get this taken care of I will as per our agreement prepare a list of emails to be sent out and CC'd to vWorker.

Jeremy

From: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
To: Jeremy Collins <jercol123@yahoo.com>
Cc: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Jeremey,

Attached is the counter-signed contract. You also received notification of payment early today. Please confirm the payment was received and then prepare the email for the 2^nd portion.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 6:44 PM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Yep I got payment today, but there was an error, the entire amount was sent to me. You were suppose to keep $2 for the charges.

I will prepare the email list.

Jeremy

From: Ian A Ippolito
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:48 PM
To: Jeremy Collins
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Thanks for letting me know. You can keep it and we’ll just call it even.

>> I will prepare the email list.

Sounds good.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
To: 'Jeremy Collins' <jercol123@yahoo.com>
Cc: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Jeremy,

I hadn’t heard back from you. If you’re going to send out the email then let me know when I can expect to see the draft.

Otherwise I will assume you are not going to. If that’s the case, you are not released from the disintermediation clause and we’ll be notifying your employers of this as well.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:08 PM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Ian,

Before you do anything to make yourself look like a fool I suggest you speak to your legal department.

The disintermediation clause was ended when you closed my account and thus ended our agreement.

I know you think you were clever by having me sign that agreement however it is not binding at all. It was signed under duress. Ie. you forced me to sign it in order for you to follow your legal obligation to pay me. This makes the agreement non binding.
If you claim that you had no legal obligation to pay me (because Im someone else) then the entire agreement is void (since the agreement was made fraudulently by someone pretending to be Jeremy Collins) Either way the agreement and this clause has ended.

Should you do anything to slander my name or hinder my business efforts I will be forced to take legal action. Dont forget Im a poor hard working guy getting screwed by a evil company :( There are plenty of organizations who will represent me free of charge. While you on the other hand will have to pay your own legal costs. Really think your position through before you decide what action to take.

Jeremy

From: Ian A Ippolito <IanIppolito@exhedra.com>
To: Jeremy Collins <jercol123@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Jeremy,

Thanks for the continued insults and personal attacks.

Even “if” your legal analysis were true (which it isn’t) it doesn’t release your employers from their contracts. The disintermediation clause is in effect one way or the other.

And we do have a right to tell them the true reason you were removed from the site. You said they all hate us anyway, so us doing this really shouldn’t bother you at all.

14310 North Dale Mabry Hwy
Suite #280
Tampa, FL 33618

P: (813) 908-9029
F: (813) 960-1495
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From: Jeremy Collins [mailto:jercol123@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:05 AM
To: Ian A Ippolito
Subject: Re: vWorker.com Feedback:Other (Facilitator)

Ian,

What exactly is the 'true' reason. The 'true' reason cant really be that nonsense about Im not Jeremy Collins that you posted otherwise you would not have asked for a agreement with Jeremy Collins.

It cant be because Im abusive to clients like Ashley said in her email. If that were true I wouldnt have any customers for you to tell anything to and I wouldnt have such great feedback.

The true reason is quite simply that I complain to much and you, being a hubris person who I suspect is also kind of a control freak, didnt like it. While I will admit I am often so blunt as to approach rudeness. This generally only pertains to people who work for me. See I think thats where there is a disagreement between us. I feel as a vWorker seller, who pays fees to your company, you work for me, but you seem to think that the sellers work for vWorker.

One thing you are correct on is that I am not a legal professional, I also think your not either, Im also fairly sure that you didnt consult your counsel at 10pm. So really were just both just guessing.

Ill tell you what. You go ahead and tell the people I worked with anything you want about why I left your site. If you try to belittle me your just going to make yourself look worse then you normally do. The people I worked for all enjoy working with me, why because I go far out of my way to make sure they are 100% happy.

You on the other hand charge huge fees and cant even keep your site functional. Do you really think that the buyers dont think bad of vWorker as well? Do you know how many buyers have asked me to work with them directly when I was still using your site (which I refused) Do you know how many jokes the buyers and I have made making fun of vWorker?

One buyer summed it up nice: vWorker.com is like this stinky bus that the worker has to take to there job every day. People really dont want to ride it, its unpleasant , but it gets them to where they want to be,however once they have another form of transportation they quickly stop riding the bus (this is a paraphrase I dont recall the actual message)

There really isnt anything that your going to say that is going to make them think Im a bad guy. Your just going to look like what you are being, petty and quite frankly a little childish.

Anyway I really have no desire to continue a non productive discussion. I think that judging from the fact that we are both up this late sitting at a keyboard we both have better things to do.

All the best:

Jeremy

PS) At no time did I intend to make a direct personal attack towards you. Please accept my apologies if you felt I was doing this.